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Post by About time on Jan 28, 2016 11:00:49 GMT
What part of the law do you not understand if you can not leave the site when you are on call you have to be paid and Ive never heard that before if you don't like it leave.
Your saying its ok for the CCC to break the law why do you think the CC club have given there staff mobiles so they don't have to stay on site ie playing by the rules. I have covered sites due to people leaving / sick / holidays for upto 21 days without a day off and on call ( UNPAID ) so don't tell me Im sitting in my awning watching T.V.
"On-call" workers
If your job requires you to be "on call" these hours count as time at work.
Being on call generally means that you have to be at a place decided by your
employer. This might mean you have to be at your workplace, stay within a
certain distance of your workplace or stay at home.
If your employer says that you have to stay in a certain place when you are on
call, then all the hours you are on call will count as time at work. This is still
the case even if you're allowed to sleep when you're on call. If you don't have
to stay within a certain place then your time on call doesn't count as working
time until you actually start work.
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Post by Timeforachange on Jan 28, 2016 12:56:43 GMT
Plus count how many of you are actually complaining just a handful hardly a representative of us all! Don't fucking ruin it for the majority. If you don't like it piss off and leave draw your pensions! How have you worked out the handful/majority then? I doubt you've run a full survey of all the staff have you. Just maybe the feelings on here are representative of all staff, who knows. But this forum is for EVERYONE to air their views. It's not up to you to decide who gets a say and who is right or wrong. At a guess maybe you don't want the boat rocked because you yourself can't 'piss off' as you so nicely put it.
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Post by About time on Jan 28, 2016 14:01:18 GMT
In every job there is always the ones who moan, feel hard done by! You're so badly treated! " we should be paid for standby time" paid to sit in your van watching tv? As the. Guy above pointed out you have to be away from home, Home is in your caravan on the campsite! Go back and work out how much standby time you actually work, how much time you spend snoozing etc. You all know what the answer will be don't you couples will be split you won't work together probably have separate days off just to cover all the hours needed! Then you'll have something to moan about! Plus count how many of you are actually complaining just a handful hardly a representative of us all! Don't fucking ruin it for the majority. If you don't like it piss off and leave draw your pensions! Forgot to say if its only a handful of staff who are not happy why are so many HSA'S leaving the club and why is there such a high turn over of staff .The club would make you work 80 hrs a week unpaid if they could get away with it and call it a way of life . We have to follow the rules but the club does anything it can get away with.
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Post by Happy Hippie on Jan 28, 2016 20:58:18 GMT
Yea great stuff "Getagrip" you represent the managers theory then? The army was a way of life, and we got paid the going rate, truck driving is a way of life and we got paid the going rate, and the CCC club, is a way of life? Your not getting paid the going rate!!!
I've talked to Asda and Tesco, worked for them both too, but not entitled to free groceries, however the law is quite plain to them both too, for the hours their employees work for them, they have to pay the going rate, and the club?. CCC have just sacked a member of the " office staff" for stealing £54,000 pounds, and yet you let them steal of you? Or is that a matter of aytipical English double standards?
As for don't spoil it for others, you mean you? As we as couple are owed something like £30,000 for our labours that has not been accounted for, and you - have other business's or interests elsewhere, as managers have you declared all to IR? That's what's coming next, the mere smell of something not right to IR, are easier picking than Costa Coffee, Google, extra, extra, and easier to investigate, you getting the drift? The other question I might ask, with all this money the club has fraudulently skimmed off its employees what has it done with it - sites are falling apart, contractors standards are abysmal and the club owns what exactly - in comparison to!!!
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Post by who blinks first on Jan 28, 2016 22:38:33 GMT
With the recent restatement of employment law and the CC smelling the smoke of lawyers campfires set in the woods and restating no work/pay during call-out on all 2016 contracts in bold letters.how long till the CCC blink? Or are they really that mortified at the thought of having to pay years of back pay..bet someone's clenching real tight in Coventry
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Post by tyranny of the few on Jan 28, 2016 23:04:33 GMT
I work for the C&CC and its an unhealthy set up.A lot of new recruits sell houses and are committed to a new job to an uncomfortable degree. Many staff are nearing retirement\past retirement and are unable to leave the CCC easily without money problems.New staff are sent to strange locations and turn up as the last couple on sites with other staff already working to system and rota which they are told and assume is legal.After a season they join the CC...some during it!....or accept the system and become the very staff that "enforced" the rota on them last year. A wide geographical dispersal of new staff yearly along with a weak and compliant HR dept leaves them vunerable to undue and unreasonable pressure ....recognise yourself"getagrip"?
Its just not"Friendly" at all and now with the pay cuts will feed down quickly to campers
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Post by GetGrip on Jan 28, 2016 23:21:07 GMT
Do I represent them "managers" you mean the ones on 10p an hour more! The ones who put up with the narrow minded individuals like you and all your bollocks! God they're so awful! No I represent me! ""Have you informed IR"? For fucks sake just stop and take a look at your self! If you've been done out of £30,000 your a fucking mug!! Think right now you are currently unemployed! but come March you'll be there smiling at campers working in the tax free shop and saving your earnings for 4 months of in Spain stop fucking moaning and do something positive just leave!
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Post by About time on Jan 29, 2016 5:27:53 GMT
Here we go again if you don’t like it leave , that’s what people say when they can’t justify a argument or there action.
Do you think the BDM’s and RSM’s + head office staff don’t claim for every penny they can get out of the club and this is not a war HSMs against HSAs because HSMs are in the same boat.
When your on a two couple busy site you never stop and thats ok , however why should the club expect me to provide 24hr cover and not pay me .If the club say’s it ok for campers to arrive anytime upto 23.00hrs and expect me to be happy they must live in another world.
tyranny of the few is right just because we are told everybody does this and it is legal does not make it right why should we have to stay on site ie on call for 24hrs a day .
When the club decided to take caravan allowance and responsibility allowance off us have you never heard the saying the final straw that broke the camel’s back and that’s why we are all kicking off.
The club are scared of campers making a claim or suing them but they don’t seem to be that bothered about the staff suing them .
As long as they keep getting new staff walking through the door they don’t give a toss about the older staff in the words of the above leave if you don’t like it .
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Post by Happy Hippie on Jan 29, 2016 16:51:49 GMT
Well well, "tax free shop", getagrip, you mean like Google and Costa Coffee and all them, you've not filled a tax return in - ever? Naughty naughty, you any idea how far IR can go back on that? No such thing as tax free or live in another land, oh yea, the land of fiddlers.
Well! I wonder how many will be back from Spain to take up new positions with such a deadbeat outfit - maybe I can just stand back and watch the fun - IR will pay all CCC club employees back the money their owed and there's the bad plubicity that goes with it, Governments name and shaming. I think you have named yourselves quite adequately GetGrip. Why should the CCC get away with flouting the law and others have to abide by it? Oh yea, it's called double standards, and it's OK for head office to ride about in BMW's and expense accounts on your money, but not mine.
Theirs not many of us going to be left this year, hope we run into each other at some point.
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Post by About time on Jan 30, 2016 5:12:50 GMT
I asked on a legal forum for some advice I won't go into to all of the details but I told them how many hours we work and how many hours we spend on call ie stuck on site in earshot of the bell.
I do think we have a claim but plz take legal advice first I will .
Outcome
This is not a quid pro quo but a demand that is very much tilted in the employer's favour so you need to set out in writing this disparity and what you would like done about it. The on call pay can be less than normal pay but not less then the minimum wage.
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Post by whistleblower on Jan 30, 2016 20:08:48 GMT
Start sending links to this thread to the newspapers look what it did for sports direct its about time we started to name and shame
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Post by Getagrip on Jan 30, 2016 22:50:44 GMT
Well well, "tax free shop", getagrip, you mean like Google and Costa Coffee and all them, you've not filled a tax return in - ever? Naughty naughty, you any idea how far IR can go back on that? No such thing as tax free or live in another land, oh yea, the land of fiddlers. Well! I wonder how many will be back from Spain to take up new positions with such a deadbeat outfit - maybe I can just stand back and watch the fun - IR will pay all CCC club employees back the money their owed and there's the bad plubicity that goes with it, Governments name and shaming. I think you have named yourselves quite adequately GetGrip. Why should the CCC get away with flouting the law and others have to abide by it? Oh yea, it's called double standards, and it's OK for head office to ride about in BMW's and expense accounts on your money, but not mine. Theirs not many of us going to be left this year, hope we run into each other at some point. just what are you going on about Happy Hippy, Costa Coffee and tax returns! Oh wait a minute I get it, I said "Tax Free Shop" in reply to a comment from one of your previous posts and you thought I was making some kind of confession ha ha. I think you've had too much Sun and Sangria! I did however find your last sentence interesting. Just for clarification Happy Hippie are you threatening me?
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Post by About time on Feb 1, 2016 12:30:35 GMT
No idea who you are getagrip but why do you not like change it’s people like you why HSA’S on sites are scared to speak out incase they are singled out or even bullied for not being a so called team player. Stopping bullying requires nothing less than turning the workplace culture upside down. Bullies must experience negative consequences for harming others. Punishment must replace promotions.
You need to change getagrip and move with the times the more you fall for the old line it’s a way of life the CCC are laughing there heads off .We all should be able to speak our minds if something is not right, what the CCC are making us work is not legal.
I’m sure the courts will decide if they have to pay us overtime and oncall payments. If they do start paying us for call outs getagrip you can always leave or refuse it.
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Post by Happy Hippie on Feb 1, 2016 12:38:48 GMT
Do grow up Getagrip, your beginning to disappoint me, have you forgotten the art of discussion or have you worked for the club to long? Threaten, were that come from? Differences of opinion about life is good, what is legal and not is interesting too, lets ignore the law and do our own thing, the weak get weaker and the strong of course get stronger and richer!!
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Post by Getagrip on Feb 1, 2016 19:16:41 GMT
Hi chaps! Good couple of posts there, interesting reading I was getting bored with the same old shite being repeated!! So to reply to both of the above;
About time: As an HSA myself I have never been or felt bullied in the many years I have worked for the club, my opinion has always been asked for and valued by my managers! Am I in a minority? Who knows but I can only speak from my experiences. However I find it difficult to accept that anyone of our ages would feel or allow ourselves to be Bullied! let's be honest we all have work and life experience before we signed up so why on earth accept that? A case for bullying would be an easier fight then the one currently being discussed in this thread! I think you have additional issues that need addressing! As for not liking Change well you lot are the ones complaining about the "New pay structures"
Happy Hippie Let's have a think about this, "Where did Threaten come from"? Well that came from your post and I quote "Hope we run into each other at some point" well that could be seen as threatening, especially as we weren't planning a knees up in the previous posts! (Hey About time you could be right about Bullying! )I did feel somewhat intimidated! Yes I believe in the art of discussion and also that people have a different opinion, well guess what I have a different opinion to you, so your last post made you sound a bit like a hypocrite!
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