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Post by About time on Jan 19, 2016 17:59:39 GMT
Reading all of this, not sure I understand why sites are run so differently. One of the staff during the last season was always officially on shift until 11p.m, so the hours were part of the rota. Doesn,t that happen on them all? I have never worked on a site where you get paid till 11pm you maybe on the rota till 11pm but not paid ( on call ) infact your on call till 7am the next day .
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Post by Happy Hippie on Jan 20, 2016 16:34:10 GMT
Re head office, they get a day off in lieu or didn't you know? As far as work standby, check your pay, it's 15minutes for every hour, in Europe its designated as "wages theft", and there could go down the road of "unlawful deduction of wages", as also the ex-benefit caravan allowances. You cannot use allowances in the makeup of the National Minimum Wage. Think logically, your allowance is only worth 22p your paying your own allowance as its making up your wage!!
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Post by About time on Jan 21, 2016 5:51:53 GMT
I agree Happy Hippie this needs looking into , if anyone has a claim it will be on call time by law if you have to stay in a certain place then you should get paid I think thats why CC have given staff mobiles so they can leave the site they are still on call but they do not have to stay on site . From what I have read this could be the new PPI for oncall workers . I will look into this if we do another year I don't care anymore but it may help other people .
see below ( We cannot leave the site when we are on call )
"On-call" workers
If your job requires you to be "on call" these hours count as time at work.
Being on call generally means that you have to be at a place decided by your
employer. This might mean you have to be at your workplace, stay within a
certain distance of your workplace or stay at home.
If your employer says that you have to stay in a certain place when you are on
call, then all the hours you are on call will count as time at work. This is still
the case even if you're allowed to sleep when you're on call.
If you don't have to stay within a certain place then your time on call doesn't count as working
time until you actually start work.
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Post by Puzzled on Jan 21, 2016 10:46:30 GMT
Hi about time. One of us was actually fully on shift not stand by up to 11p.m. Then if there was a disturbance at night (maybe twice in one season!) we got the time back. In the morning the early was from 8am, again no stand by time. So we were fully paid for the hours we did. Just didn't always go on shift as a couple at the same time. This made total sense to us. Obviously some managers dont do the shifts right!
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Post by Timeforachange on Jan 21, 2016 18:25:41 GMT
So we were fully paid for the hours we did. Just didn't always go on shift as a couple at the same time. That's the future, we are all on individual contracts so we will all work individually including days off!! So you won't be able to say that you can't leave site in the evenings, you'll just have to go on your own while your other half works.
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Post by Happy Hippie on Jan 22, 2016 12:20:43 GMT
Yes your right of caurse, I put that point over years ago, as a single two people on, one off. They said we did come in this job to be apart, cope with it or bigger off! So there's a problem, who's going to accept working and having separate days off? The old school won't. The solution is, last bookings in by eight then it all works just like the caravan club they seem to manage their hours according to legislation quite easily and all staff get timely hours off, and together. Or is this club wanting their cake and eating it, and what are they doing with all the money they thieve, because that what it is, off us?
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Post by About time on Jan 22, 2016 14:31:22 GMT
I agree the CCC should work the same as the CC and use mobiles + last one in at 8pm . but I don't mind getting a end of year bonus when we all take them to court and we may also get it back dated .
People will not work seperate days off and why should they . Also who will cover 11pm til 7am because if you can't leave the site you have to be paid
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Post by Timeforachange on Jan 22, 2016 18:00:33 GMT
So, the job is on a site some distance away from your home.
So, it's some distance away from your friends and family.
You are both on individual contracts, so individual shifts with could have some overlap and in the evenings one or other of you could be working.
You are both on individual contracts, with one day off a week, which could be on different days.
You could have 'challenging' managers, with little support from elsewhere.
Paid barely above minimum wage.
Not much of a job advert is it?
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Post by I am Spartacus on Jan 24, 2016 9:52:57 GMT
Simples! Follow my lead and just don't come back! We're not slaves or compelled by law to be here! If anyone from head office can be at all bothered to ask why, just explain you are fed up being taken advantage of. At the end of the day I do this job because it suits ME. I enjoy it most of the time, I enjoy working outside and meeting the vast majority of the campers and fellow staff members. I have had the odd "argument" but nothing that would make me leave. It's just the slow realisation that no one who works for the Club higher than my site manager gave a monkeys' chuff about me. Once I put on that red t shirt head office didn't care whether I lived or died Never had, never will!
So I chose to go. I am not happy to be going. If anything I'm a bit sad because, as I said, I did enjoy it. But hey ho! There's more to this life than TD30! Adios amigos!
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Post by About time on Jan 24, 2016 11:31:22 GMT
Sorry to see you go Spartacus and I understand why its a job and you should not have to put up with all the crap and from what I've heard a lot of HSA'S have swapped sides ( 15 couples ) going to CC + you always get the normal wastage who pack in every year looks like a lot of HSM are going to be doing long hours by themselfs .
Once I take legal advice back in the UK I will not be doing any oncall work or standby unless Im being paid ( I'm No Legal Expert ) but everything I have read CCC are breaking the law by not paying you oncall time . IF YOU HAVE TO STAY ON SITE ON CALL ITS WORK
Im sure there are plenty of no win no fee firms willing to take CCC on it could run into one hell of a payday for them.
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Post by gifthorseinmouth on Jan 25, 2016 19:41:56 GMT
Mmmmm I'm collating info now from the lastfe wyeasrs,thememthinkswe worked nearly 4000 pound of unpaid on call a year so once one claim is won they should all fall automatically....can webepaidbackpayalsp
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Post by bar roomlawyer on Jan 28, 2016 2:23:30 GMT
www.employmentcasesupdate.co.UK/site.aspx?i=ed22523This link should take you to the final appeal against an earlier euro court ruling . This final overturning of the Euro court finally states that if you have to be at a fixed(not home) location to be "on call" then you are working and need rest periods( which is what this case was originally about) The case clearly states this and other organisations have moved swiftly to remind staff that whilst they are on call they are not expected to remain at work.Even the CC whose staff do not work unpaid call out have reinforced this via emails to site and bold lettering in contracts
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Post by when im back on Jan 28, 2016 2:29:01 GMT
When I'm finished down here in the sun we shall dig out the old rotas and emails and sit down and calculate how much I've been robbed of .should be tidy sum esp as I expect it should be back paid
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Post by About time on Jan 28, 2016 8:15:20 GMT
One otherthing why do we need to sign the Working Time Directive most of our contracts are 30hrs to 40hrs no need to sign it. ( Is because we spend so much time on call )
The EU's Working Time Directive (2003/88/EC) requires EU countries to guarantee the following rights for all workers: a limit to weekly working hours, which must not exceed 48 hours on average, including any overtime. a minimum daily rest period of 11 consecutive hours in every 24.
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Post by Getagrip on Jan 28, 2016 10:31:01 GMT
In every job there is always the ones who moan, feel hard done by! You're so badly treated! " we should be paid for standby time" paid to sit in your van watching tv? As the. Guy above pointed out you have to be away from home, Home is in your caravan on the campsite! Go back and work out how much standby time you actually work, how much time you spend snoozing etc. You all know what the answer will be don't you couples will be split you won't work together probably have separate days off just to cover all the hours needed! Then you'll have something to moan about! Plus count how many of you are actually complaining just a handful hardly a representative of us all! Don't fucking ruin it for the majority. If you don't like it piss off and leave draw your pensions!
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