Unpaid call out court case
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Post by Unpaid call out court case on Mar 17, 2016 19:24:47 GMT
Listened to an interesting prog on radio 3 this afternoon It seems a care worker has been paid an out of court settlement of £1500 by her employer because she was not paid for hours worked when she was on unpaid call out She only worked for the company for six months and the payment
s made out of court so as not to create a president for future cases Caroline Barlow was helped by the law firm Lee Day. And this company is now asking for other people to start a Class Action against other employers
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Post by Link here on Mar 17, 2016 19:45:52 GMT
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Post by Just curious on Mar 21, 2016 13:08:44 GMT
1. Yes we are getting paid! It's part of our rota'd hours 2. Ditto 3. Campers who have pre-booked but have been held up in traffic, for example, will be pitched up to 21.00, so off roaders who have rung will be pitched until then. After 21.00 those saying they can't get here by then won't be allowed to enter. Off roaders or people ringing on the day will be asked to pay in full when they ring, (up to the office closing at 18.00), then we will take a site info leaflet back to our van and turn out when they arrive, so we don't actually have to go into the office. If they choose not to pay on the phone they'll be told to hand in their driving licence, or membership card, (we haven't decided which yet), and then come into the office after 09.00 the next day. Early leavers, after 0700 -09.00 will have to pre pay or not allowed on. No one is getting codes, keys or access unless they agree to our conditions, and no one gets to pitch themselves! It will take to much effort to sort out the problems of the 6 metre rule the next day. Issues of noise or unsociable behaviour will be dealt with whatever the time. This is for our own benefit NOT The C&CC as an employee. Anyone ringing from H/O, RSM or BDM to complain of these conditions will be told to pop down to the site and pitch them themselves! None of us is prepared to work for the club for nothing. We either get paid or the time back, at a time agreeable to everyone. There has been no falling out, no tantrums and absolutely no bullying behaviour, or arm twisting to get us to agree to any of this. We work for each other, and are happy to do so Just curious. Did you get paid for every single hour from lunchtime until 8pm while you were 'on the bell'? Or did your Manager ask you to not be paid for some of the hours so 'you could both benefit from 2 days off' or some other story. That of course may not be legal.
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Post by Just wondering? on Mar 21, 2016 22:09:37 GMT
Hi, we cover from the van as part of our rota'd hours. We are still available for arrivals, camper queries etc. We have the two days off anyway. The idea is to "pay" us back for any extra hours we work during the week. We have all agreed to turn out on site between 20.00 and 23.00 if there is agro on site with campers lighting fires, loud music and other disruptive behaviour.
I know this is going to annoy some people, but as I said in an earlier post, we are living here, not just staying for the week-end, and we think it would become intolerable if for the next 6-7 months we had to suffer. It doesn't happen that often, we aren't in The Bronx at the end of the day, but why not make things better for yourselves if you can. The time "stood down" makes up for that in our opinion.
The job is about enjoying yourself as well as the cash, so why not work the rota out to suit ourselves. As I said before, no one was forced to do this, no one was bullied, no threats were issued and it was done in an amicable way between colleagues and friends. At least we are not being made to do toilet cleaning at 23.00 like some people were last season! No one is having to sit in the office until 23.00 like one site does, we are getting more than 1 day a week off and it's together so what's wrong with it?
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Post by so just wondering? on Mar 22, 2016 9:49:37 GMT
let me get this straight in my mind.it seems your post covers 2 separate but related issues.
1, you have all agreed to remain on site from 20.00 to 23.00 { or at least somebody /one couple has agreed to remain on site}. During this time the people who have agreed to "turn out" between 8pm and 11pm will be unpaid.
2. you work "extra hours"during the week which are not paid/and are additional to your contract hours.You then "cover from your van"[ you dont say what times]after the office is closed, these hours are paid and are on the rota and are designed to compensate for the unpaid "extra hours" you work during the day.......... if this is correct it seems you work unpaid hours during the week and are allowed to work from your van in the evening to make up for this?
is this correct?
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a question just wondering
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Post by a question just wondering on Mar 22, 2016 10:58:29 GMT
has this arrangement been discussed with your RSM/BDM and are they happy with it?
I take it your site is fully staffed;if not any staff on short contracts who may arrive later in the season might be faced with little choice to agree to your system of working the hours.last couples on site are often new staff who walk on site wide eyed and fearful of disagreeing with the rota/hours/tasks.
Its good practise that all staff agree to working together on site and that the rota and responsibilities are clearly defined. My only reservation is that the CCC is wriggling out of paying staff for the hours they work by letting managers control the sites working practises and hours beyond what is legal,these are exactly the shenanigans that have brought us to our current problems. whatever you agree amongst yourself ;as regarding unpaid work ,its still illegal regardless of the fact that you all agree and are happy.Its not up to site staff to decide employment law.
Maybe HQ/BDMS and RSMS are willing the problem to go away by pretending to ignore it thinking they can blame managers if a court case comes up
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just wonderins terms
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Post by just wonderins terms on Mar 22, 2016 15:23:32 GMT
SEEMS NOTHING HAS CHANGED AT just wondering's site
unpaid call out from 8 till 11
unpaid hours worked
HQ unaware[ or blind eye willing turned) of site managers encouraging illegal work practice
BDM,RSMs and managers using gullible staff to stretch hours given to them by HQ
NO CHANGE AT ALL REALLY
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Post by shop profiteer on Mar 22, 2016 15:41:59 GMT
Several thousands pounds profit?? Which planet do you live on !!! Really we wish .. if you want to give us £500 at start of each season to go halves with supplies .gas .Ice cream .maps etc .I will gladly share my several thousands of pounds . Get real. And our shop is only open from 9an till 10 30 and then 4 till 5.30.rest of the day we are all out doing camp site jobs .And before you say anything else I actually declare what we earn each Jan and guess what we don't earn enough to pay tax on it .instead of constantly calling the people who you work with for most of the year you should try and talk to each other .you may actually enjoy your job then .And yes you have hit a nerve cheeky git .L last year we made £800 per couple on a busy 3 couple siteThis season on a quiet 2 couple site told to expect £1300 per couple Last year paid £800 on a busy 3 couple site Both shops sold the standard ice cream/gas/chemicals etc etc We can only give our examples to help people gauge profit ,our wardens are happy to start the stock with say £500 and often the wardens are proud that the network knows that they are honest sharing types.If word got around that shop profits are not being shared than they would be shunned as lepers i think As for not earning enough from the shop to pay tax on it...your tax liability is judged on your total income from all sources and of course your income from the shop would be declared as split across both people in the couple. so depending on your personal circumstances you could make £1500 per couple and not be liable to any extra Income Tax Im not "crowing" about this but people should realize that a shop can make a surprising amount of money in a season and claims of poverty from Managers should be taken with a pinch of salt.......£1 a tub on the shelve right now!
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Post by HR\HQ Fantasy on Mar 22, 2016 22:01:22 GMT
Hi, we cover from the van as part of our rota'd hours. We are still available for arrivals, camper queries etc. We have the two days off anyway. The idea is to "pay" us back for any extra hours we work during the week. We have all agreed to turn out on site between 20.00 and 23.00 if there is agro on site with campers lighting fires, loud music and other disruptive behaviour. I know this is going to annoy some people, but as I said in an earlier post, we are living here, not just staying for the week-end, and we think it would become intolerable if for the next 6-7 months we had to suffer. It doesn't happen that often, we aren't in The Bronx at the end of the day, but why not make things better for yourselves if you can. The time "stood down" makes up for that in our opinion. The job is about enjoying yourself as well as the cash, so why not work the rota out to suit ourselves. As I said before, no one was forced to do this, no one was bullied, no threats were issued and it was done in an amicable way between colleagues and friends. At least we are not being made to do toilet cleaning at 23.00 like some people were last season! No one is having to sit in the office until 23.00 like one site does, we are getting more than 1 day a week off and it's together so what's wrong with it? this reads like an ideal fantasy for HQ,....forget about responsibility allowance cuts, staff still working for no wages for hours a week, pass responsibility for illegal working onto, managers. get staff to spontaneously agree to work call out for free....its like Bobs the knifes perfect wet dream. this must be written by a manager or someone in HQ.......CLUES ARE 1, subtle warnings/suggestions like "if for next 6-7 months we had to suffer" ,"at least not being made to do toilet cleaning at 11pm""sat in office till11pm like one site" "getting more than one day off per week" and finally the old chestnut warning..."and its together" Dont let the bastards grind you down with these simple child -like notions planted in these posts ...designed to sow seeds of worry in your totally reasonable need to be paid for your work
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Post by min wage on Mar 31, 2016 21:38:04 GMT
whaooooo tomorrow we all get the minimum wage.As im now not responsible for anything/anyone im off LIDL to spend my minimum wage on a cheap bottle of creme de menth and spend the day pissed whilst on call out for free wwhooooooooo!
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tell national newspaper
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Post by tell national newspaper on Apr 9, 2016 18:28:32 GMT
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Post by dunnit today on Apr 10, 2016 13:34:22 GMT
dunnit today,listed rates before and after resp allowance was cut.Made the point that its legal because we have a new contract every year,made also point that its counterproductive as everyone will be pissed of and do less...ggggrrrr
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completed questions am
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Post by completed questions am on Apr 12, 2016 7:22:37 GMT
completed questions this morning for newspaper enquiry,easy,mentioned cuts to resp allowance
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Post by campertastic on Jul 20, 2016 14:14:35 GMT
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Post by billygoat on Mar 7, 2017 19:16:34 GMT
I know the Dingwall manager was sacked for pretending to be another site to order more chemmies after his OCD boyfriend poured most of the last lot down the sinks,BUT PRAY TELL WHO GOT BUMPED DOWN FOR BULLYING? Apparently the Dingwall HSAs got thru more staff in a season than Ghengiz Khan on an away game I think you should find out the real facts before you open your mouth!
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